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what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it's also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers get paid but not paying for the fuel or these doctors will get paid, you know, government is a huge force in our economy. like it or not. and the number of companies that would really be affected from walmart to every defense contractor to giant health care companies, if their ability to collect money that is owed to them is then put in doubt, that triggers a whole, you know, range of activities of ot
what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount...
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it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people got rid of it, because what jonas is saying, it's political. and the second issue is, i don't want our economy held hostage and run by washington, right now, the buffoons in congress have more power over the economy with the, you know, stupid idea. if we give them this type of power we've hurt ourselves, kick
it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a...
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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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will we avoid the debt ceiling cliff? house republicans will consider a plan to extend the debt limit deadline. why that may set up an entirely different kind of cliff. we'll take you live to washington and john haar woovmtd flagged this in my observation yesterday. should the eligibility age to social security be increased to 70 years old since americans are living a lot longer than they did when the social security program was first set up? stick around for a heated debate and the body of a million dollar lottery winner murdered by cyanide poisoning right after he won has been exhumed. the medical examiner is talking, and we'll have the very latest developments of what went on. stay with us. ♪ [ male announcer ] don't just reject convention. drown it out. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. an entirely new pursuit. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does
will we avoid the debt ceiling cliff? house republicans will consider a plan to extend the debt limit deadline. why that may set up an entirely different kind of cliff. we'll take you live to washington and john haar woovmtd flagged this in my observation yesterday. should the eligibility age to social security be increased to 70 years old since americans are living a lot longer than they did when the social security program was first set up? stick around for a heated debate and the body of a...
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once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same batehavior i've seen over d over and over again. they are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run. but wakes itself up perhaps with my clock and if history serves me right, they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being catalysts galore. bob in florida, bob >> it is fwrat to tais great to. south florida by way of teaneck, new jersey. i'm calling about krispy kreme donuts. i sold it and forgot about it and now it seems like th
once we will through the debt ceiling and the last chance to derail the term. i think i know what happens, the same thing that has happened always when we have had so many break outs they are left behind by the wall of worry. ask yourself, do you think that this many analysts could be right? do you think that these companies are going to prove brilliant exit prices? no. i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same...
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the upcoming debt, certainly, the debt ceiling set the tone, really, for what to expect, we think, for the next four years. the battle over that, already. do you see that as the case? >> well, it's certainly going to be a big challenge, both for the president and for republicans. you're already hearing from republicans that came out of their retreat yesterday, essentially walking back, that they were going to use this debt ceiling pretty much to -- you know, as the democrats like to say, to take the economy hostage, to demand spending cuts. they have backed off of that, looking at some plan to raise the debt ceiling at least for the next three months, to give some time for those talks to happen. and there is a big challenge in coming together, because the president still really feels like absolutely, the debt needs to be focus on, it's a huge issue, big priority, but it needs to be done in a balanced way so that all the spending cuts are not focused on programs for those who are most vulnerable. so we'll see. >> so ana, do you think that the debt ceiling will set the tone between the p
the upcoming debt, certainly, the debt ceiling set the tone, really, for what to expect, we think, for the next four years. the battle over that, already. do you see that as the case? >> well, it's certainly going to be a big challenge, both for the president and for republicans. you're already hearing from republicans that came out of their retreat yesterday, essentially walking back, that they were going to use this debt ceiling pretty much to -- you know, as the democrats like to say,...
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raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get through the debt ceiling debate, continuing resolution. it's going to be bumpy. we'll take full advantage of a market falldown during that period because you've got three main things going for you. housing turning for real, not just an inventory real liquiification and foreclosures. all that have stuff turning for real. it will turn into unemployment back half of the year. a little better transparency on fiscal policy. not necessarily the fix but the transparency. business cap "x" second half of the year and every single central bank in t
raise the debt ceiling or risk a u.s. downgrade. >> markets are in a holding pattern until the debt ceiling fight is over and the backdrop for the fitch warning is quite different this time around, and pete will explain why in just a moment. just said to you during the break. a heck of a holding pattern if that's what the market is in. plenty of sectors hitting new highs right now. no question about it. this is the year that we springboard up now. not just to climb the wall of worry. get...
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one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to move the last minute further out. if these guys need three to six months to do it up right and get a compromise. i'm willing to give them four to six months extra time. >> settling a debt ceiling issue is in the interest of the president and of our country. you have today fitch came out and threatened to decrease the credit rating and they are doing it in a way that areckless because you have outside observers looking at us and i want to highlight a point you made earlier which is the fact that all spending bills are in the constitution. we are looki
one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to move...
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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican parties in some quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, f
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the...
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translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exactly. what the republicans are saying is look, we maxed out the credit card. it's time before we extend any new credit or allow any new credit to do something aboutbe the spending that got us here. that would seem on the surface to be a reasonable argument. but so far, the republicans have not been able to win it. and what tends to happen in the fights when you get all of this late hour melodrama as we have had in the last cou
translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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we are talking about the debt ceiling. versus spending cuts. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel reports on the house g.o.p. winter retreat in virginia. >> at the house g.o.p. retreat in williamsberg, virginia, the leaders decided they will pass three-month temporary increase to give them time to finalize a budget. speaker boehner said before there is long-term debt limit increase a budget should be passed that cut spending. the house g.o.p. whip hinted at the strategy. >> our hope is to pass something early so the senate can take action as well. i wouldn't be jeopardizingor economy there. it shows it's a rational, put us on a better path. and i would hi the american public could support it and the senate as well. >> fox news poll reveals 83% think government spending is out of control. up five points from two years ago. 69% of those surveyed say the debt limit should only be raised after major cuts. aides to the number two senate republicans does not support giving president obama a blank check but told "houston chronicle" editorial
we are talking about the debt ceiling. versus spending cuts. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel reports on the house g.o.p. winter retreat in virginia. >> at the house g.o.p. retreat in williamsberg, virginia, the leaders decided they will pass three-month temporary increase to give them time to finalize a budget. speaker boehner said before there is long-term debt limit increase a budget should be passed that cut spending. the house g.o.p. whip hinted at the strategy....
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people are now saying if debt ceiling is taken care of or deferred we don't have much to worry about. i think we have a little cold shower if we're looking at the economic growth forecast that involved major cuts whether it's sequestration, short-term government shutdown. i'm not an alarmist about what is going none d.c. but i feel like what we've done is the consensus has really been oscillating between over anticipating terrible things from d.c. to under anticipating them. i think we are in the latter situation right now. >> michael, it is joe. we may or may not next week get the announcement of a dell deal or potentially the deal falls through. what type of impact do you see in terms of sentiment on the overall s&p there would be if an actual deal is to occur or if it falls apart? >> i think it has to be followed by others. i think i actually feel like it is a one off thing. people are obviously eager to see something get done. you want to see the capital markets be able to achieve what on paper seems like an obvious deal. a company that probably should be private. and so i do thi
people are now saying if debt ceiling is taken care of or deferred we don't have much to worry about. i think we have a little cold shower if we're looking at the economic growth forecast that involved major cuts whether it's sequestration, short-term government shutdown. i'm not an alarmist about what is going none d.c. but i feel like what we've done is the consensus has really been oscillating between over anticipating terrible things from d.c. to under anticipating them. i think we are in...
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take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the trade of many people's lifetimes, but with the courages sill at multiyear lows. and the meeting next week, will the trade last? it's the "money in motion" section. good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you guys. what about this dollar/yen trade? obviously the dollar is substantially higher today, but monday/tuesday/wednesday, we've reversed the trend, the yen was actually higher. where do we go from here? >> i think steve's presentation is one of the reasons i'm cautious on this trade. we're within a whisker of the obvious target. i think that trade level will stall. to me i think the better trade is to tak
take a look now at what the debt ceiling would be, if you reached the debt ceiling and reduced government spending by that amount, mark sandy, others suggest it should be a 7% hit to gdp. so, simon, a big war of numbers, and big war of words on both sides, as we game out what happens, first with the debt ceiling, then we continue resolution, and also the sequester. simon? >> let's hope they rise above. thank you very much, steve liesman with the fiscal cliff. >>> it's been the...
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i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his initiatives and they kind of stopped him in his tracks. he can't do very much over there. if you resist him i am not sure that's true on guns, bill. gun control has been a dangerous issue for democrats. may be a womell bring if hemay unpopular if something isn't done. i don't think he's going to propose very much on gun control. on immigration they have a sense that the hispanic vote was important it was help will to obama this type around. >> it looks reasonable in that. colin powell used to be a republican. i don't think he is any longer. however he has not changed as far as we know. he made very s
i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his...
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this time it's called the debt ceiling debate. former senator alan simpson is co-founder of the campaign to fix the debt and the former debt commissioner co-chair. he's been an outspoken advocate of getting our spending under control, and he joins us right now in a cnbc exclusive. senator, good to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. >> it's a pleasure always doing that with you. >> we've read simpson/bowles. know you recommend spending cuts, but do you believe the gop should be using the debt ceiling as a leverage point to get to the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they are going to try it, and how far they will go with the guam of chicken, i have no idea, but i can tell you can't -- you really can't -- this is stuff that we've already indebted ourselves. i mean, if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you would want to pay your debt, and that's what this is. they are not running up anything ne
this time it's called the debt ceiling debate. former senator alan simpson is co-founder of the campaign to fix the debt and the former debt commissioner co-chair. he's been an outspoken advocate of getting our spending under control, and he joins us right now in a cnbc exclusive. senator, good to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. >> it's a pleasure always doing that with you. >> we've read simpson/bowles. know you recommend spending cuts, but do you believe the gop...
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negotiate on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one-minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, julianna, let's take the example of this year in the fiscal cliff. i didn't say i wouldn't have any conversations about extending the tax cuts. what i said was we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy and we didn't. you could argue during the campaign i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is, millionaires, billionaires, are paying significa ining signific taxes just like i said. from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class. and my biggest priority was making sure that middle class taxes did not go up. t
negotiate on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one-minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, julianna, let's take the example of this year in the fiscal cliff. i didn't say i wouldn't...
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short-term debt ceiling hike. but here's what i'm not hearing and what we should be hearing is an unambiguous plan to splash spending now. republicans need an absolute rock solid plan to implement the sequester which is $1.2 trillion over the next ten years. this is essential. not just to unite the republican conference. but more importantly, it's essential to helping the economy grow more rapidly. and if the republicans don't get it done, i'll say this. they may lose the house in 2014. so let's talk with karen finney. who's a columnist for the hill and former dnc communications director. and hadley heath, senior policy analyst at the independent women's forum. hadley, this paul ryan, he went out and met with reporters. republicans are in the retreat down in williamsburg, virginia. maybe they'll use a short term increase in the debt ceiling maybe three months or six months. is that the point? how does that inform you? does that get to the heart of the matter? >> it certainly doesn't get to the heart of the matter.
short-term debt ceiling hike. but here's what i'm not hearing and what we should be hearing is an unambiguous plan to splash spending now. republicans need an absolute rock solid plan to implement the sequester which is $1.2 trillion over the next ten years. this is essential. not just to unite the republican conference. but more importantly, it's essential to helping the economy grow more rapidly. and if the republicans don't get it done, i'll say this. they may lose the house in 2014. so...
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might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the heavy side today. if you think that is good news pushing the debt ceiling out for stocks and i think generally would you look at it as good news, it certainly is fairly muted here. as for the major indices for the week, what simon was just talking about, there are deeper cyclical changes. big industrial names have been generally outperforming and that is very good news, if you think the global economy, those stocks would more closer would the global economy. >> you get this, this real tight hugging of the flat line friday. monday, tuesday, wednesday and then again today.
might vote next week to raise the debt ceiling for even three months. there is a very muted reaction and what to watch here are how people are buying etfs. this is the s&p 500. you can buy it in a single stock and you might say, oh, gee, there is a move there to the far right on the upside when the announcement came. but it is a very, very narrow amplitude. very narrow range of trading. that's about three points on the s&p 500. the volume did pick up and we will have volume towards the...
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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the...
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president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the speaker. what is your main problem with him? >> i have no personal problems. i keep hearing that. he himself said i carrying no grudges. we've talked several times. the point is to let him know with le stand up to leadership and hold him account annual. i think that's important to know. that really is on both sides of the aisle. if you go back there were people that challenged the leadership, too. i think that's a good thing. you have new members of congress willing to stand up and saying let's rethink this. let's put america first, not necessarily party politics. i fired the first volley that you would
president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the...
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the debt ceiling fight that's on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i think sometimes we miss the point that there are really good companies out there who figured out how to make really good money with all of this political noise going on. >> and yet, greg, so many potholes ahead. you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling, sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling and get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate with
the debt ceiling fight that's on the horizon. is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i...
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there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there are more than one battle happening. where do you think the negotiations should take place? should be the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution to fund the government or sequestration? caller: the continuing revolution to keep the government going -- resolution. there are many departments we don't need. i was showing my grandchildr the debt clock, telling him how much money he would know when he becomes a taxpayer. he said he does not want to become a taxpayer. this is taxation without representation. they have to get this under control. they need a dyiet. host
there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there...
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debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we will see the sequester, the path of least resistance. congress has to do something to prevent the sequester and the president agree to it. it's unlikely, 1$1.2 trillion, using the dollar for dollar basis, do it twice and -- >> have you seen "41," movie, "41." i saw a couple clips and president bush talking about the nixon year, because he was there and what was it like to be a republican. he said it was not a great time to be a republican at the end of the nixon era and the prospects for the party didn't look very positive. i don't know. it
debt ceiling. the coke group americans for prosperity is urging restraint from republicans during the negotiations. these guys you said are on the right have moved to those guys you said were in the center, some of them, anyway, right? >> i think -- >> these guys are folding, caving. they know obama has them on the run, as far as public opinion. they're running off -- >> nothing is ever simple. the debt ceiling is only 1 of 3. >> you'd sequester -- >> i think we...
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there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. they have much better news to fight over spending. they have a continuing resolution that funds government, which comes up at the end of march, and they have this sequester that automatically cuts spending. >> gingrich isn't saying lay down your arms, but he is saying there are better battles ahead. >> he is saying you're going to lose this debt fight because -- he has said previously that the entire global world of finance is going to come into washington the week before the debt ceiling is hit and they're going to
there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united...
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but i think at the end of the day, the deal made is a debt ceiling increase. but republicans will go through with those sequester cuts. >> yeah. if i could just come. jump in real quick. brian, bandy, jumping 06 of what jimmy had to say here, let's not forget, defaulting on the principle and interest obligation says separate conversation from defaulting on things to other people. say, sending out social security checks. in the context of quote unquote, defaulting on our debt, i'm with jimmy p. as well. missing an interest payment, a very low probability. >> that where some of the confusion seems to be, steve. exact lit public understanding. that why we are here at cnbc to what the risk really is. is someone not going to get their social security check? is the post office not going to be paid? what would happen first? >> brian, a lot of people don't understand because it is complicated. neither side of this depate want you to understand the reality here. on the one hand, the administration wants you to -- doesn't want you to know there are two options here. def
but i think at the end of the day, the deal made is a debt ceiling increase. but republicans will go through with those sequester cuts. >> yeah. if i could just come. jump in real quick. brian, bandy, jumping 06 of what jimmy had to say here, let's not forget, defaulting on the principle and interest obligation says separate conversation from defaulting on things to other people. say, sending out social security checks. in the context of quote unquote, defaulting on our debt, i'm with...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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president, what's the deal with the debt? i've been hearing a lot about the debt ceiling. what's my family's share? i'm just a kid. when i'm a grownup, i understand it could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. could you guys please cut spending now? >> brian: if you want to know if that is going to happen today, see if rand paul's grandson will be in there or somebody like that. if there's a republican child or michael j. fox's character, michael keating. >> gretchen: that would be a good one. let's talk about what the new york state has done now and governor cuomo. he immediately went on the attack to try and pass very expansive gun law legislation because many people are saying he wants to run for president next time around and he also was very concerned about the issue. but some people are saying this morning that what they passed last night is full of holes. we want to show you a graphic of a particular kind of weapon that has been banned, a rifle. this is a baneli 1 rifle. the reason it's banned is because you can see how you hold on to the gun there. that's called a
president, what's the deal with the debt? i've been hearing a lot about the debt ceiling. what's my family's share? i'm just a kid. when i'm a grownup, i understand it could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. could you guys please cut spending now? >> brian: if you want to know if that is going to happen today, see if rand paul's grandson will be in there or somebody like that. if there's a republican child or michael j. fox's character, michael keating. >> gretchen: that would be...
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there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen, right? that's what people say. >> okay. >> relax, steve. >> i'm okay. >> what happens is the rating agencies -- >> your heart rate is going. >> what's that? >> what about the ratings agencies if they were to downgrade us, if we went over, if we went over for a day it's one thing, if we went over and stayed for a week, do they look at it just because washington can't get along, that's reason enough for another downgrade? >> that's a critical question. that's why the democrats are likely to define default as missing any government payment becaus
there's the debt ceiling. zandi i talked to the other day, talked to some other economists, they're saying if you hit the debt ceiling, you stayed there, you made government spending equal cash flow would be about 7% hit to gdp. essentially taking a trillion dollars out of the economy. so there it is, guys. the debt ceiling game, home edition, have fun tonight. >> this is actually much bigger deal. >> it's a huge deal. >> but would never last -- >> never going to happen,...
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they'll push -- the question is how -- how do they push on the debt ceiling? do they say, look, we'll give you a short-term extension of the debt ceiling for a certain amount of spending cuts, or we'll give you a long-term extension like you want for even more spending cuts. can they force entitlement reform around medicare, for instance, even some of the -- in their view -- more limited things that the president wants to do around means testing and age and indexing to try to attach that to a debt-limit deal. do they move beyond the debt limit, try to get to the continuing resolutions and those kinds of things? they recognize that this is the only area of leverage that they have, but they want to be careful about it. >> so chuck todd, how does the white house deal with that supposed leverage? >> well, first i think the republicans are hoping that they have a manti te'o defense, that somehow it was all a hoax and maybe the election was a hoax and they can go back and redo everything. no. i think the republican -- the white house strategy is make the house repub
they'll push -- the question is how -- how do they push on the debt ceiling? do they say, look, we'll give you a short-term extension of the debt ceiling for a certain amount of spending cuts, or we'll give you a long-term extension like you want for even more spending cuts. can they force entitlement reform around medicare, for instance, even some of the -- in their view -- more limited things that the president wants to do around means testing and age and indexing to try to attach that to a...
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ceiling and delaying or expanding the debt ceiling and giving lip to 9 debt ceil for another two or flee months. we will be back in the thick of things in a few minutes but today we catch our breath. >>shepard: a lot of breath capping to be done. john bussey live with us from the "wall street journal" and steve, over to you, steve. well, steve is otherwise engaged i am now told. back to evan, presidential historian and live with us from new york, the president just got back into the limousine and will come to the reviewing stand behind us. i guess this is an important day for us to remember who it is we are and what we espouse to be and send a message to the world but more than anything, isn't this good for the kids on martin luther king jr. day to have the african-american president coming for his second inauguration? there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man who may not have had hope before. >> there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man. the constitution talked about and referred to, he used the phrase "we the people identification and that discussion
ceiling and delaying or expanding the debt ceiling and giving lip to 9 debt ceil for another two or flee months. we will be back in the thick of things in a few minutes but today we catch our breath. >>shepard: a lot of breath capping to be done. john bussey live with us from the "wall street journal" and steve, over to you, steve. well, steve is otherwise engaged i am now told. back to evan, presidential historian and live with us from new york, the president just got back into...
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and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is not the hilda fight, we don't want to be responsible for people not getting their social security checks. we don't want to be blamed for it. >> joining me now are ryan grim, washington bureau chief for "huffington post," ryan, so really, they on the debt ceiling, if all the democrats voted to raise it they would only need 18 republican votes to raise it. is that the kind of thing we're going to see happen? >> i mean, you're either going to see that or a complete and total cave. but i don't think you will see a complete and total one, because you have the tea party still hanging aroun
and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is...
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ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand -- production, rather. that sends the market up. when i got up this morning and looked at the screen, platinum made that 3% today. i looked at the metal sector and looked at things that were undervalued. i think gold short term will benefit but long term i think platinum is going to be a better bet. if platinum stays higher, than going through the latter part of the year, that could signal a change in the market sentiment. gold is your fear and platinum is going to be demand in manufacturing. that could signal a change but not yet. i think
ceiling and debt negotiations. i think it's helped gold also as people look for safety. >> do you agree that the platinum and rally has helped gold and do you think we can look at this platinum rally and make a bigger indication of what is happening in the economy? some people say it's an indication that things are really turning around? >> jackie, i think it's too heavy. the anglo american platinum pulls off 400,000 ounces of platinum per year. that's almost 7% of global demand --...
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that of course is bumping against and going through the debt ceiling. you know, when the president had his press conference discussing this i always like a good food analogy. his analogy was of course by not raising the debt ceiling we're not paying for the food we've eaten. basically at this big dinner we're at. i like it. let me give it a little slant my style. that is, it's not really a restaurant but an all you can eat buffet. there is no bill coming. the senate and house haven't passed a budget together in years. we have a revolving credit, a tab at this all you can eat buffet and nobody wants to get up. it is not like there is a clock where boom. here is your bill. we'll start the next 24 hours like your charting machines. nobody is ever getting up. it's just a meal that never ends. so how do you in essence stop the eating, stop the debt that is created by running up the tab? well, it seems easy enough but of course it gets messy and the politics are different than the principles involved. the house republicans seem to have finally figured that ou
that of course is bumping against and going through the debt ceiling. you know, when the president had his press conference discussing this i always like a good food analogy. his analogy was of course by not raising the debt ceiling we're not paying for the food we've eaten. basically at this big dinner we're at. i like it. let me give it a little slant my style. that is, it's not really a restaurant but an all you can eat buffet. there is no bill coming. the senate and house haven't passed a...